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Mireles · Jul 16, 2009, 10:05 PM // 22:05

There was a poll put up by the admin on July 14th, I have crunched some numbers so the results of this poll could be understood. I arrived at the people percentages by dividing people in account groups by total people polled, and account percentages by multiplying the median of the range of accounts owned by the people in that range. (i.e. 3-5 account group was assumed to own 4 accounts... To keep things conservative people with 10+ accounts were assumed to own 10).

So if this sample (poll) is representative of the entire guild war population.

4.25% of people own 10+ accounts control approx. 15.56% of accounts of entire guild wars account population.

5.66% people with 6-9 accounts control approx. 14.53% of accounts.

23.68% of people with 3-5 accounts control approx. 34.69% of accounts.

29.75% of people with 2 accounts control 21.79% of accounts.

36.64% of people with 1 account control 13.41% of accounts.

(.02% margin of error due to rounding)

As you can see the smaller minority of people that own 6-9 accounts and 10+ accounts both on their own control more of the wealth stemming from XTH and the traveler, than the majority of the guild wars population that owns 1 account.

This separation of wealth based on how many copies of the game you buy should not exist for a "free to play" game... sure its free to play, but if you don't like playing but still want to be accomplished in game you can pay. This is real world money trading that is against your own rules ArenaNet.

If you don't like farming, trading, or earning titles. Why are you playing this game?

There are some people that say this is positive because it makes things cheaper for newer players. Yes it does make it easier to accomplish thing set in quantity by the game, but when it comes to trade you need more z-keys, gold, or ecto simply because it is worth less due to the inflation caused by XTH. Just like other real world trading was making gold less valuable to players in the first year of the game.

And for people that say "who cares wealth doesn't matter". Wealth can pay for anything, titles, runs for titles, armor, weapons, and even seen some services out there to sell fame. You can complete all guild was ranks without having to do anything but wait for your monthly z-keys. This will make accomplishments that carry over to Guild Wars 2 almost meaningless to have.

Arena net objective for producing this game was to make a game based on skill... not on length of time played... I'd hope that how much money your willing to spend would not matter either. Arena net please do not fix XTH or at least regulate it by making z-keys non trade-able. Z-keys are already wildly available for 1gold z-coin or 5k balth faction granting accessibility for both PvP and PvE players... you fixed the wealth distribution between PvE and PvP players with z-quests.

I know some of you will say "they have to fix XTH because i bought all these accounts"... if you look most guild wars boxes have "Game Experience May Change During Online Play" right under the ESRB rating... you are not guaranteed anything.

I post this because this is a community game and changes are made by players voicing there wants. Hopefully ill get some GMs attention and feedback. I would hope that the majority of people with two or less accounts will agree with me when i say there are players abusing XTH and it should be stopped or regulated. Make game accomplishments what they are again... not objects of personal desire that people pay money for in-game status.

Inde · Jul 16, 2009, 10:08 PM // 22:08

This is how the real world works.

Just 1-2% of the population controls the wealth.

In free-to-play MMOG's just 5% of their population funds the entire server/devs/company through micro-transactions.

This is art imitating life.

Apollo Smile · Jul 16, 2009, 10:09 PM // 22:09

To be honest, at this point in GW1's life it doesn't matter.

Arduin · Jul 16, 2009, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Yet it all boils down to me not caring about anyone else having more money than I do.

riceangel · Jul 16, 2009, 10:21 PM // 22:21

The greatest satisfaction should come from achieving your own goals. Looking at how others did it the easy way shouldn't change your self-accomplishment.

Professor K · Jul 16, 2009, 10:28 PM // 22:28

Stuff that unlocks stuff in GW2 SHOULD be easy for all GW1 players. They were meant to reward us who supported the original game, not reward elitists who maxed all titles.

Mireles · Jul 16, 2009, 10:37 PM // 22:37

haha elitists?

Wiki definition

Elitism is the belief or attitude that those individuals who are considered members of the elite—a select group of people with outstanding personal abilities, intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes—are those whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight; whose views and/or actions are most likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities or wisdom render them especially fit to govern.[1]

Why don't we just give everyone everything and call it the day then?

Im not asking to make things harder for people or anything like that. Just stating that this is Real world money trading... and it should be stopped if ArenaNet is continuing to take a aggressive stance against it. If they changed their mind about it and you can pay your way threw the game i need to find a new game. It would be like winning at a football game but at the end you still lose because someone bribed the ref.

Sure people are going to call me a cryer but when i see something happening that i don't like i try to do something about it... not sit there and hope the people in charge decide to do something.

AtomicMew · Jul 16, 2009, 10:40 PM // 22:40

You realize, the poll was not really accurate, right?

People who use guru are generally more hordcore than the general GW population.

I'd be willing to bet that the very, very large majority of players are actually just single account holders. Maybe even single/double campaign holders.

MisterB · Jul 16, 2009, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Quote:

This is real world money trading that is against your own rules ArenaNet.

ANet are not breaking their own rules, because they are not subject to them.

Seraphim Angel · Jul 16, 2009, 10:43 PM // 22:43

Well you still have to pick the correct winners regardless of how many accounts you have. XTH adds a fun element to the game. Plus not everyone sells thier keys for money. Alot of people use thier keys for the excitement of opening the chest to see what they get. Anet will loose real life profit if they do not fix it due to people not buying account. I am sure they care about profits. Why people care about the value of fake money is beyond me.

Lishy · Jul 16, 2009, 10:46 PM // 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by riceangel

The greatest satisfaction should come from achieving your own goals. Looking at how others did it the easy way shouldn't change your self-accomplishment.

This.
I own a torment shield. I have Guardian. And I almost have explorer of Elona too.
Just because other players have some trick or whatever to get those things easily, doesn't mean a poor player like myself thinks it's too easy or wants what other players do nerfed.
That said, who cares if someone has 10 accounts used for zkeys?

And Mireles, stop being a hypocrite. He's calling you a QQer because you are qqing, and don't realize it.

Mireles · Jul 16, 2009, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Kain Fz... yea same way people that didn't like Ursan got called QQers. Just means im saying something you don't like. nobody hes yet to say something positive bout XTH.. everyone just kinda shrugs and goes w/e

Lishy · Jul 16, 2009, 10:52 PM // 22:52

No. You're just saying something that is completely over-analyzing the game. You're comparing Ursan, which completely destroyed PuGGing at the cost of forcing us to grind a huge title, as apposed to the analogy of 10 people sharing their funds.

Island Guardian · Jul 16, 2009, 10:56 PM // 22:56

perhaps its that 1-2% that knows how to make money the right way and not follow the flow?

Mireles · Jul 16, 2009, 11:00 PM // 23:00

Stickin words in my mouth Kain never said anything bout sharing... i am saying that people shouldn't have an advantage from paying real money for more accounts. I have my reasons for not like XTH its destroying the value of currency. and you didnt like Ursan because it destroyed pugging forcing u to grind title... Some people loved ursan because it made any class usable.... everyone has thier own opinion and the fact that your even talking to me, means that you didnt like what i said enough to argue with me.

AtomicMew · Jul 16, 2009, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kain Fz

No. You're just saying something that is completely over-analyzing the game. You're comparing Ursan, which completely destroyed PuGGing at the cost of forcing us to grind a huge title, as apposed to the analogy of 10 people sharing their funds.

Wtf are you talking about? 10 people sharing their funds? That doesn't even make sense.

OP is exactly right. A.net bans gold sellers, but XTH is essentially Gold selling. That may not have been their original purpose, but that is what it has, in effect amounted to.

They need to re-design XTH completely. Perhaps, give people who score well access to better weapon skins or armor skins (customized, so they can't sell it ofc). Or maybe make a XTH emote and account title.

Icy The Mage · Jul 16, 2009, 11:15 PM // 23:15

That poll was also biased, I doubt many of the casual guild wars players who are most likely to own one account also have a guru account & even if they did, probably didn't vote in the poll.

Nerel · Jul 16, 2009, 11:20 PM // 23:20

An interesting point about the distribution of wealth and the spread of accounts in the GW population, based on a relatively skewed poll coming to an incorrect conclusion.

The XTH is fun, and hopefully garners a little more interest or understanding in following the games PvP element. Fix the XTH and make the rewards earned from it non tradable.

No free cash here. Non tradable zkeys that YOU can use on the Zchest, sure you MIGHT get some uber valuable goody, but more often than not you'll be getting firewater and creme brulees.

Fix the XTH, remove the monthly payment of free cash element.

Copenhagen Master · Jul 16, 2009, 11:23 PM // 23:23

I could truthfully care less about the price of things I just play the game and enjoy it! need it be title hunting or if I am in the mood for PvP... Just enjoy the game

pinguinius · Jul 16, 2009, 11:24 PM // 23:24

The forum posting community (for any game) is vastly different from the community at large and those numbers seem grossly inaccurate.

Also wealth doesn't matter. I have as much fun playing around on my alts in 1.5k armor and collector gear as I do my other characters with 15k armor and shiny weapons. Some people just enjoy playing the game, you know.